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I am amazed at some of these answers - for what it is worth I quit cat racing (which means I quit sailing as I wouldn't be caught dead on a slomono) due to a lack of one design cat racing - racing and handicapping different 14' cats (or any other size) together is hopeless - the Arrow class has been completely destroyed by illegally ballasted (not scrutineerable) and shaped fibreglass hulls, boyer rudders, use of carbon, mast spreaders, non-Dacron sails, square top mains etc etc and etc - the rules are nowhere near strict enough and therefore the cost is not contained - they could of been a good entry level boat which can be raced from a young age for a lifetime as has already been done but it is ruined now. The point is 2fold - keep it simple and cheap - choose 1 class of 14' cat (which could of been arrows - maybe not pt's due to no traps) and promote it nationwide - make it desirable to be in it and build it up - This is why some people leave or don't come at all - it is about how you make people feel - if they feel they can compete with some dignity and not get mauled by money and ridiculous yardsticks they just might 'get on board' Not everyone will agree with me - just my thoughts 'from the water's edge'

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Touche Limousine. I've said for a long time people want class racing 1st = 1st 3rd = 3rd, everythings the same except the name, the number and the colour and no changing boats with different sails, construction etc doesn't bring a whole lot of new people to the class, it infacts splits fleets and turns people off. I think there is a lot to think about in this post.

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This last weekend showed very well what 14ft cat racing was all about. Even though the winds were light and the weed wicked there was racing for all of the cats. As always the guys who spent most spent their lonely time up the front, the rest of us battled each other wherever we were. To me, it's a bonus to finish near the front in those conditions.

I think if you want to sail one design, then the Laser (or whatever its called these days) is for you. There doesn't seem to be an equivalent in cats but at least in this surround you can put down small money and still get a good race.

If they ever put up the results then we'll see how many small cats there were. Even in the Hobie 18's there was a good turn out of a variable bunch of boat too, people sailing and enjoying doing it.

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mate must say the old hobie 18`s are still a cheap boat to buy, and old ones are still competive. as my $ 200 boat proved at toukley! won a race and was up the front in most. thats why this class is growing again. they have not changed in 30yrs, and can be sailed single up to 18knts no problem. toukley now has 8 of them sailing next season and this fleet will only grow! but are a bit of a handful for juniors. the problem with other class`s is they keep spending money and updateing their riggs! i know all are talking about 14`s but it seems the old mans boats have that formula already. just my point of veiw>.

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Jim, If you want to be competitive in any class including lasers you have to spend money!!! stop harping on about it. In yesterdays race (Monday) the oldest cat rigged mari finished second in the 14 footers on scratch. he beat at least 2 foam sandwich supper sloops. Even you overtook me in one race with your old boat cat rigged and me in a super sloop. I would be happy to put you on my boat (with your radial racing sail) and me put my sail on your platform and race you.

It does not cost money to oil the check the few moving parts on a Mari most people neglect their rudders and sail with helm or damaged rudders but most of the time these few parts do not operate through poor maintenance and hence slow peoples response time as they have to focus on little things instead of the wind.

We proved this last nats, when in one race the fleet was reversed, this is the person on the leading boat had to sail the boat coming last the second person had to sail the second last boat etc. The results for that race were not a lot different than for all the other races.

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Jim, If you want to be competitive in any class including lasers you have to spend money!!! stop harping on about it. In yesterdays race (Monday) the oldest cat rigged mari finished second in the 14 footers on scratch. he beat at least 2 foam sandwich supper sloops. Even you overtook me in one race with your old boat cat rigged and me in a super sloop. I would be happy to put you on my boat (with your radial racing sail) and me put my sail on your platform and race you.

It does not cost money to oil and check the few moving parts on a Mari most people neglect their rudders and sail with helm or damaged rudders but most of the time these few parts do not operate through poor maintenance and hence slow peoples response time as they have to focus on little things instead of the wind.

At the last nats, when in one race the fleet was reversed, this is the person on the leading boat had to sail the boat coming last the second person had to sail the second last boat etc. The results for that race were not a lot different than for all the other races.

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The Maricat is a cheap class when compared to the other sailing classes.

$2K-$3K for a decent rig with new sails ready to race at any level,,that's dirt cheap.Take a look around and see what dollars are spent to be at front of fleet,even a competitive kids Manly Junior is going to cost over $5K to be near front of kids nationals,Lasers the same..over $9K for a decent MG14 and $40K for a competitive 16ft skiff.

Spending a couple of grand for a competitive Mari with new rags is unheard of in other classes of sailing..

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Sando had a interesting sail with one of our clubs Manly Jnrs skippers.The conversation eventually got down to the price of a windrush compared to that of a MJ..It was an eye opener when considering bang for your buck.

Basically the kid mentioned how he could sell his MJ and buy a Windy with plenty of change,

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So Jimbo, in the mari's I had the newest "legal" sails (2 outings for the main, 1 outing for the jib) there, the newest rudders, the newest front beam, the newest mast, a newer set of hulls than Mick or Mark, yet I was no where near the front, I recall you (cat rigged, old boat) flogged me (super sloop, fairly new boat) almost every race, therefore if it is the guy who spends the most gets to the front, there must be a bad equation there somewhere for me.

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in our case it was probably the person who'd spent most time in light wind. Back in old Blighty when I was a youngster we rarely had decent breeze (I learned to sail on a 35 acre reservoir in a dip in the middle of England).

as we've seen before (few weeks ago at Toukley) you were well ahead once you got out on the trap.

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Interestingly at last weeks Sauna Sail regatta at Hazelwood, out of about 100 boats that took part, there was only one 14' catamaran.

The fleet was mixed with plenty of mosquito's, Hobie 16's, Vipers, Taipans etc.

Not one PT, Arrow, Mari, or Windrush.

Just one very lonely Nacra430 and an arrafura cadet.

Is this the future of 14' cat sailing?

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Some of the closest 14ft racing that you can see is at Mannering Parks annual 14ft Cat Regatta. We have Maricat's , Windrush's , Paper Tigers , Arrows and the Nacra 430. Each class is usually represented by it's State or National champ. Heat wins are usually spread across the classes, depending on the breeze and skill level's. Feel's a bit like one design racing.

On the subject of the Arrow's, it's news to me that the class has been " completely destroyed ". The last 10 years we have averaged 24 boats at our National's with a good spread of entries from QLD, NSW , VIC , SA and one from the NT. The 'foam / fiberglass ' boat's , ( about 6 ) appear to be no faster or slower than the timber hulls. Boyer rudder blades are popular but I have seen many excellent home made blades as well. Carbon is usually discussed at each AGM , with the same result each year , no, we don't want it. As for the spreaders, a very simple and cost effective way to control our $80 masts. The square top main is the same sail area as the original main , looks better but still not convinced that it is any faster. My sailmaker quotes similar prices for dacron or mylar cloth. Our class rules are flexible enough for the amateur builder and all of our fittings are off the shelf at your local ship's chandler. My previous boat ( home made from timber) is now 35 years old and is only 3 kg above minimum weight. It all sounds simple and cheap to me. Looking forward to seeing everyone at Mannering Park in October. Gary.

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Woudn't name anyone but several fibreglass 'arrows' if you could call them that have had in excess of $10000 spent on them with illegal amounts of centralised ballast to bring them up to weight (rules only allow 3kg total added ballast)- this gives a significant upwind advantage with reduced pitch. This cannot be proved or picked up and disqualified by scrutineers. The rules were originally meant for plywood construction so the point was that maybe they should of been left alone except for all the other issues with them not being strict enough to control cost as would actually suit the 'amateur' builder. I understand you are defensive if you are an owner - a genuine 1 design 14' class would be a great thing but arrows unfortunately are not it. I don't have all the answers but things like carbon and boyer rudders are not the answer either - why the rules don't sensibly define home made rudders as they do for the centreboard is beyond me.

Good boyers can cost more than a whole boat! I could easily refute anything and everything but that also doesn't help - The original post brought up a very pertinent point re 14' cat sailing - I totally believe/agree that we could build numbers and benefit from a much stricter/simpler/cheaper one design class in this size.

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There does seem to be a low number of 14ft cats sailing in Victoria...not sure why.

We will again have a Cat Weekend and Albury/Wodonga in November (on a Sail Inland Weekend) to encourage a few of the Vic 14s to come.

There has also been some talk of a 14ft get together at Lake Boga over Easter. I'm sure we could ask the organisers to use some Yardstick adjustments for older sails and boats.

Humungus and I discussed having a Cruise in Company at Port Stephens over the Christmas New Year period. Not a race and no need to be a sailing club member.

Maybe meet on Saturday morning at Port Stephens Sailing and Aquatic Club launching area. Sail up to Shoal Bay for lunch, then come back on the north easterly in the afternoon. Then on Sunday do some

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in our case it was probably the person who'd spent most time in light wind. Back in old Blighty when I was a youngster we rarely had decent breeze (I learned to sail on a 35 acre reservoir in a dip in the middle of England).

as we've seen before (few weeks ago at Toukley) you were well ahead once you got out on the trap.

I'd like to think that once I got out on trap that I would be well ahead of cat rigged cats, otherwise why sail SS and use trap if you are just going to finish at the same time as the cat rigged boats then end up getting smacked on YS.

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