Guest Old Mate Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Hello, I was wondering where I could obtain some paper tiger plans, geometric tolerances, material rules and etc... all the construction regulations. Also how much am I looking at for a mast section etc... Also how much would a brand new foam sandwich paper tiger with a trailer and sailbox sell for? also where are the Nationals this year and what dates? Old Mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 G'day, I don't have the address details for purchasing plans on me at the moment. I will post them tomorrow. Blank mast sections are priced at around $300. A guy was selling a PT that was only few months old in Victoria recently for $14,000. I don't know if he got it. I don't think it included a trailer. People rarely buy a fully assembled boat brand new. They normally purchase the hulls and foils from the builder, then purchase all other gear separately, assembling it themselves or paying someone else to do it. They usually do this to ensure that it is set up the way they want it. While the PT is really a one-design class, there are a lot of freedoms around layout and fittings. For this reason, it generally pays to purchase a second-hand boat first, then sail it for a season or so before considering a brand new boat. You will learn a lot about the class, both how to sail it and also the way you would like it fitted out. The next Nationals will be held in Hobart, Tasmania. The dates are 3rd - 10th January 2006. You can check out the event web site at http://ausnats2006.papertigercatamaran.org The following Nationals will be held in NSW. Please let me know if you need any further information. Regards, Dave Stumbles Publicity Officer Australian Paper Tiger Catamaran Assoc. (dave at papertigercatamaran.org) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooD Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 The paper tiger nationals in Hobart has certainly stired some interest with the locals. we are expecting to have about 5 sailing next season at LYC up from 0 PT's this year. im not sure what that is in percentage terms i reckon its a lot ! the tasmanian pt association is in the process of building a website, not 100% sure what is going to be on it, but with all the input its going to recieve it should be a ripper. www.tptca.catsailor.org cheers Darren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Old Mate Posted April 11, 2005 Report Share Posted April 11, 2005 Cheers mate. Yeah just put up a link or whatever to the PT Plans... Iam just looking at the costs involved in building one from scratch in the back yard. Also what is the PT minimum weight? I need all rules and regulations... also can anyone here obtain Arrow and Arafura Cadet plans as well? Iam looking at all these *home build* style classes to price out how much it will cost to build them and sell them, to new sailors, seasoned sailors or sailors looking for something new to sail. Also looking at a PT, to sail at nats 2006, is anyone here going? also will there be a container going over at the same time? will there most likely be New Boat Buyers? is there usually new boat buyers at the titles? Thanks all this help is greatly appreciated! Old Mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 G'day again, Sorry, I didn't get the details of the guy who sells the plans. I will get them tonight. I can't post a link to the plans. They are not freely available. A set of plans costs around $80. The PT class rules can be accessed on the New Zealand PT site at www.papertiger.org.nz and look under "Specifications". Paper Tigers are weighed unrigged (ie. just the platform) and the minimum weight is 50kg. All up weight would be 70 - 75kg. I don't know if there would be people interested in buying new ply boats, as we haven't had a professional builder of ply hulls for a long time. Our current builders all do foam sandwich. Don't know of any containers going across at the moment. Most will stack boats on roof tops or multiple boats on one trailer. However, the Victorian Assoc may be interested in some arrangement, as there will be quite a few of them going. Regards, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl J Barrett Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 Some one in Victoria had a second hand PT for sale for $14,000?????? I will sell you a brand new ALL carbon fibre Alpha Omega F14 that outperforms all of the 16' cats, (across the line) with the exception of the Taipan 4.9 sloop, which at present, it sails pretty much on a par with, (but the Alpha is getting faster with every race), for $14,000!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cj Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 No offence darryl but atleast you get to sail against other Pt's that is established across Australia for 14k... as your line of production of a f14 hasn't really got alot of competition (not to say it wont in the future). pt's have been trading hands here in Tassie in the expectations of the nationals being held here, people who have never sailed a pt before buying one just for the experiance of being in such an established class. I have to say i would be doing the same thing but @ a weight of 110 kg's i would expect the beer to be gone before id get back to the club after the races I would certainly spend more money on a boat if i knew i would get to sail agaisnt 40 - 50 boats @ a nationals rather than sailing against a yardstick. [This message has been edited by cj (edited 12 April 2005).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Old Mate Posted April 12, 2005 Report Share Posted April 12, 2005 It will be a fibreglass boat... As far as I can see in the rules I can build it out of whatever I want. Also is there set beams to use? or is it possible to use different beams. The one thing I couldnt find was on Beams. If you could get the contact details for this guy with the plans for the PT's that would be great, also do you have any idea as to what this guys plans include? do they include plans for everything you need to build a Paper Tiger? Cheers Old Mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 13, 2005 Report Share Posted April 13, 2005 Once again my apologies - work and other commitments have prevented me getting on my computer at home. You will find Section 3 of the rules is called "Beams and Trampoline", which includes all the details you need about beams. They are tightly controlled. Some associations keep beams in stock (Vic, NSW, SA the most likely to have them). Otherwise, they can be purchased elsewhere. The plans do include everything you need to know about building a PT. There are six plan sheets that cover all required to build one. The main problem is they haven't been updated to show the latest gear in use. It is planned to update them. However, if people have access to existing fleets, they can see the gear used on the latest boats. Otherwise we can send them pictures or they can check web sites etc. When you say "fibreglass", do you mean foam-sandwich? Previous attempts at building straight fibreglass hulls resulted in boats that were either too heavy or not stiff enough. One of the challenges of building a PT is getting it to minimum weight and also achieving a suitable stiffness. The foam-sandwich boats achieve this. People who do their research and take care while building can also achieve this when building in plywood. Darryl, I encourage you in your project. However, CJ has raised the obvious point. People need to decide whether they want speed or competitive racing. It may be a long wait to see a "fleet" of AO14s. If that's what people want, that's fine. But if they want large States, Nationals and Internationals fleets, then the PT is definitely worth considering. Having large fleets in both Australia and New Zealand, and having them get together regularly, is a great attraction of the class. Besides that, they are an absolute pleasure to sail. People have built ply PTs for a LOT less than this and can buy competitive second hand boats for much less again. So the price is not as frightening as it may appear. Regards, Dave Stumbles Publicity Officer Australian Paper Tiger Catamaran Assoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 14, 2005 Report Share Posted April 14, 2005 Paper Tiger plans can be purchased from Gary Spiller in South Australia. He can be contacted on: (08) 8347 1511 (bh) (08) 8265 7718 (ah) Please let me know if you need further information. Regards, Dave Stumbles Publicity Officer Australian Paper Tiger Catamaran Assoc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Old Mate Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 How are you mate. cheers for that Info, before I give this guy a call I was also going to ask, would these plans be suitable to build a jig off of? I am looking at building both Plywood and Fibreglass boats(Carbon, foam sandwich) The intention is to build some PT's as platforms only, including foils and beams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Yes, the plans include the directions for building a jig. Plywood PT's require a jig to build the hulls from, but those people near PT fleets can always borrow one from someone. Let me know if you need further info. Regards, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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