darcy1945 Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 10 kts breeze, Mixed fleet (Cat, Sloop and Spinnaker rigs of all sizes and speeds) when the small cats usually sail directly mark to mark (reaches and runs) and big cats, sloops and spinn rigs tack downwind for best speed. SCENARIO 1, STBD course, LEEWARD mark, Port tack cat rig 14' in the zone (5m from mark,running square, speed 5 kts, in the process of gybing to round the mark on stbd) Stbd tack F18 or similar, outside the zone (say 15m from mark) best reaching speed (15kts?) only has to harden up once he rounds. Who is in the right? Rule 18.1 (b) says Rule 18 does not apply between boats on opposite tacks when the proper course at the mark is for 1 but not both of them to tack (Tack, definition, a boat is on the tack corresponding to her windward side) Gybe is not defined, but would seem to be the same definition, ie, a boat is on a gybe corresponding to her windward side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobblyoldjimbo Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Sailing Anarchy is our friend here: http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=135981 all about almost exactly what your're asking Darcy. I think the poster Delta Blues is an International Judge or jurist. Sometimes its difficult to tell who is or is not. But, rule 18 isn't turned off because it's not an exception, remember that 18 only switches off in a beat to windward, not any other leg. My answer the port tack boat inside the circle has the right to sail to the mark and the right to have enough room to manouvre (gybe) etc. As soon as she passes the mark the windward/leward and rule 16 rules apply. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelobe007 Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Rule 18 does apply as the neither of the boats are on opposite tacks to windward or one of them has to tack Agree 14' cat has rights over F18 as clear ahead in zone Given as an example in Rulesmaster Racing Rules DVD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcy1945 Posted June 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 michaelobe007, DVD sounds interesting, where can I find one? The same situation described above can also happen at the leeward mark on PORT courses, when big cats are tacking downwind on their windward return, and the 14s are on the final (Port) reach of their triangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobblyoldjimbo Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Here you go, I posted this on Sailing Anarchy this morning and already have a goodly number of answers which, I think correctly answers both rule 18 issues. http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=136187&st=0&gopid=3755048entry3755048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelobe007 Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Boat books in Lane Cove Another good DVD is Learn the Racing Rules by David Dellenbaugh from Speed & Smarts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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