gillieston Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 like to hear pros and cons whether to buy a hobie 16 or hobie 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remo Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 Hobie 16; tendancy to pitchpole/ bury a hull, fast, really require a crew, light enough to move around on land. Hobie 17; no tendancy to pitchpole, designed for single handed unless sport pack is an option with jib, bouyant enough for friends and family for cruising, wings minimise need for trapeze in lighter air, not much competition, i was the only one that entered the hobie nationals with a H17, good club boat but very heavy to move around on land, The 17 is more of a social boat although a few used to be fairly serious at Lake Jindabyne a few years ago. ood all round boat and solid. Both delaminate over the years and frames can become sloppy. Huge 16 fleet for racing, but remember you will nearly always need a crew. I personnally preferred the 17 only because i was more of a social racer that wanted to sail by myself a lot of the time. I enjoyed the 16 for its speed but could never find a crew keen to race. Where are you located. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcy1945 Posted January 11, 2012 Report Share Posted January 11, 2012 H 16, plenty of 2nd hand parts, can not be sailed cat rigged. H17 2nd hand parts like hens teeth, both hard to recover from single handed capsize if less than 110kg. (Not impossible down to 90 kg) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillieston Posted January 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 hobie 16 or17 appreciate info re hobie 16 or 17 social sailor off st kilda port phillip bay sounds like a 17 would be more suitable understand not made after 2003 point taken re 2hd parts thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Hi there, I looked into these 2 boats a while ago and i cam to the decision that the H17 was the better boat for most of what "most ppl" are trying to get out of sailing. Fun fast and reliable and for me low price. The weight on the beach is not really a problem if you sail with other people. I was looking for a H17 with the back rests and the sports pack with the Jib, all this for just a touch over 200kg and with the wings" you can hang way out over the water when you alone allowing for some serious trapping in higher wind then normal. i also read that the wings make it easier to right when capsized. I have not looking into spares but with the swing daggers and Hobie parts i would think that its not going to be aa problem. the only thing i read was that the kick up rudders are a pain to set, but that is just reading not personal experience. I have not seen, much if any story's about hull failure so that's a good sign. While not the fasted boat it is as fast as the H16 wich is good as you want to be able to keep up with the other guy on the H16 as there are heaps of them out there. "The 17 sport is popular in the Midwest as a recreational boat but lacks the buoyancy necessary to sail in ocean" I don't know how much stock i would put in that as i think the H16 has from what i see very little also and spend most of the time skating across the top or dug in (correct me if I'm wrong) "H16's can be purchased for next to nothing and the fun you will have is worth ten times the Price. If you are simply looking for a durable and inexpensive recreational or racing boat, buy a Hobie 16. " I have seen them for a little as 600$ but i think you want to get the ones that come with the black anodized rails as they are better and have less hull failure, i pretty sure. anyway i think that's all i have on that.. cheers """ The Hobie 17 sport is a good recreational boat if you sail in lakes with a crew weight of less than 270 lb. The hulls are the same as those on the uni-rig 17 and have very little excess volume. The 17 sport is popular in the Midwest as a recreational boat but lacks the buoyancy necessary to sail in ocean and have a really fun ride. Some items that make the 17 sport easy to sail include: a boomless rig, a light mast, and the wings for seating. If you have experience on catamarans or you are willing to walk before you fly, then there is a league above the Prindle 18-2, Hobie 18, NACRA 5.5 SL. and Hobie 17. The Division 1 boats (19' open ocean catamarans) is the big league of off the beach sailing! Topping this caliber of boats are the NACRA 5.8, Prindle 19, Miracle 20 and the awesome new NACRA 6.0 North American. The NACRA 5.8NA is an incredible machine with virtually unlimited inshore and offshore performance. Spinnakers and reachers can be added to make these boats competitive in the PRO offshore races. The NACRA 5.8 has been around since the about 1982 when the boats were built of fiberglass with no foam core sandwich construction. This made the boats quite a bit heavier than the current production versions. A pre-1985 NACRA 5.8 is fifty or so pounds heavier and quite a bit less expensive than more current models. They are quite a bit slower though downwind. A NACRA 5.8 of say 1984 vintage is worth approximately $2200 while a 1986 has a market value of $3400. The foam core boats are much stronger and more durable. NACRA's unique hull design makes it an outstanding boat in rough offshore conditions and in very light conditions. The newer boats have mylar mainsails and high quality dacron jibs. One of the best features for the consumer is the lack of items subject to failure on these boats. All harken blocks mean you have a lifetime warranty on your blocks. The rudder system is so simple there is very little to wear down or break. The trampoline is made of polypropylene material and is vastly superior to vynal There is a strong California fleet with State Championships held every year. A strong and active dealer network in Southern California continues to make this fleet grow. If the NACRA is not quite the look you like, then consider the Prindle 19. """ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Buying guide for Hobie 17 :confused: Hobie 17 :confused: This single handed catamaran has become popular with people who wanted the freedom of sailing alone in a variety of conditions. The vertical cut mylar mainsail comes in a variety of colors. The wings provide a comfortable place to sit when the wind conditions are less than exciting. The boat is the most fun when sailed in the 125-175 lb weight range in 15 knots of wind or more. When buying a Hobie 17 consider the following. The newer H-17s are outfitted with an upgraded sail although many racers prefer the Neil Pryde mainsail over the brand new sails. The wings should be checked for cracks at all of the welds. The wing slots should be checked for gelcoat fractures. The mast should be checked to be sure that it is straight. The boat comes with a comp-tip and you should check to be sure that the sun has not badly degraded this composite tip. They are expensive to replace! The centerboards should be removed from the hulls and checked for bubbles or signs of a major repair. Check the rudders and rudder castings for abnormal wear. Push on the deck of the hull just in front of the front crossbar. If there is flex in the deck, this is probably not a good boat for you. This area is critical to the boats structure! Look underneath the hulls to see if there is a lot of beach wear. If you can see the hull beneath the gelcoat paint, that is okay. Of you can see fiberglass coming through the brown hull resin, the boat will need a $300 bottom job soon. Check at the back of the boat where the rudders connect to the hull. The metal fastener housings are called gudgeons. If there is cracking around the gudgeons, the boat has probably had some problems when beaching. This can be a severe problem so look carefully at the back of the boat. Look for worn wires on the mast. Look at the shrouds (side wires) forestay (front wire) and the trapeze wires for broken strands. Also check the bridle wires (very front, attach to bow) for broken strands. Ask the owner when he replaced the wires last. Most manuals suggest a five year maximum life for wires even if they have not been used. Look for broken strands in the halyards (lines that pull up the sails). Look at the sails for broken battens (solid pieces of fiberglass) in sail. Look for tears in the sails. Check the stiffness of the sail material. The newer the material, the stiffer the sail. Trampoline condition. Tramp should have no tears or holes. Take a very hard look at the gooseneck assembly. (boom to mast connection) Look for signs of breakage or wear. Look for areas of discoloration in the hulls. This may indicate a repair of some type. Ask if the boat leaks. If so, how much in two hours. A few cups of water are okay, but half a gallon or more is unacceptable. Look all around the hulls for gelcoat (paint) cracks. Sometimes this is okay, but if the area around the cracks is soft, walk away and look for another boat! Press on the decks with the palm of your hand and all of your weight. Ask the owner of the boat to rig the boat with you the first time to make sure that all of the parts are there. Make sure that you look overhead before you stand the mast to make sure that there are no electrical or telephone wires you may hit. Actually get on the boat and pretend that you are tacking. Move the sails, the rudders, and anything else you would normally operate when sailing the boat. Ask the owner why he is selling the boat. How long has it been on the market? Are you the original owner? When was the last time you were sailing on this boat. Ask the owner what model year the boat is. Then go to the back of the boat on the right hull and look on the back of the boat. There will be a hull number that will end something like "M79L". This would indicate that the boat is a 1979 model. Make sure that the title that the owner gives to you has a VIN # (hull #) that matches the number on the boat. Make sure that the person you are speaking to owns the boat. They must own it outright with no "legal owner" listed. If there is a legal owner listed, you must make sure that the lien on the boat has been satisfied. Simply call the lienholder. Make sure that the person selling the boat is the singular owner and that there are not two names listed on the title. If there are two names, then the other person must also sign off and date their interest in the item. To be really sure that this boat is as it appears, contact you local DMV and County Accessors office. Have the Hull numbers for the boat and the VIN # for the trailer ready along with the owners full name and address. Taxes and registration. Ask the owner if he has paid his county tax on the boat for the current year. Call DMV and make sure there are no outstanding parking tickets or other citations on the trailer. If the boat and trailer are out of date on registration, it could be very expensive to get the boat and trailer back to current. The certificate of non-operation slips are much more limiting than they used to be so call DMV to confirm you will not halve to pay the additional registration fees and back penalties due. If the owner no longer has or has misplaced the certificate of title(s), make sure you have them provide you with a "duplicate certificate of title" along with $14 per lost title to cover DMV fees and processing fees. Do not give payment in full for the boat until the title has been cleared with DMV! You must also get from the owner a "BILL OF SALE" which is a standard document available at the DMV. A home made version does not do the trick. When you arrive at the DMV with the bill of sale you will be assessed State of California Sales Tax based upon the amount paid for the boat and trailer. You must get separate bills of sale for the boat and trailer showing correct hull and trailer numbers. It is payable at the time of registration. What additional accessories come with the boat? Beach roller, lifejackets, harnesses, wetsuits or sailing gear, spare wires, pins, shackles? Extras are nice, but add no real value to what you should pay for a boat except for a cat box and beach roller. Does the trailer have a spare tire? There are other things to check over and there is no way we can cover them all in this article. If you use this as a fundamental guide and some common sense, you can make a good purchase! Good luck and always wear your lifejacket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Oh yeah... I went for a Hobie 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ymick Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 lots of good info dee thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadiposestem Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Oh yeah... I went for a Hobie 20 Same as here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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