PP Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 I have a Hydra and I notice the shrouds and forestay have all got 1 or 2 snapped strands in the wire. My question is should I replace them myself or not? I am quite capable of the mechanical work but not sure if there is some reason I should have it done professionally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooD Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Get them replaced by the guys who do them all the time. the BCC dont charge much more than you can buy the materials for. yes there is an art in marking shrouds. but i happily make my own trap wires these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 It's a long way to BCC from NSW Central Coast, I need someone near Wyong, Newcastle or Gosford if anyone can suggest please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooD Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 they do post stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyj Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Try Jim Buckland. He is in the same factory complex as Arizona Boating at Charmhaven. He is on the left, down a couple of bays from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcy1945 Posted September 8, 2007 Report Share Posted September 8, 2007 Bucko,s Ph 43931455, $90 would replace in plastic coated with uncoated cheaper. Hydras dont have a big rig, if you have the gear do it your self or come round and i'll help. Definitly replace anything with even 1 broken strand and check your dolphin striker. (if fitted). Ph 43591729. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Originally posted by darcy1945: Bucko,s Ph 43931455, $90 would replace in plastic coated with uncoated cheaper. Hydras dont have a big rig, if you have the gear do it your self or come round and i'll help. Definitly replace anything with even 1 broken strand and check your dolphin striker. (if fitted). Ph 43591729. Thanks Darcy, I can hire the swager and do it myself, the mast shrouds have turn buckles so the only thing is setting the correct tension, is there an easy way to measure the tension in the existing ones so I can set the new ones the same? No striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcy1945 Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 You can borrow my swager, make your new shrouds W/out turnbuckles, use vernier chain plates if you want to play with mast rake, adjust tension at chainplates to suit wind strength. Racing starts today, 1.30 Toukley, or next sat at Mannering Pk, hope to see you soon, Darcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmatelot Posted September 9, 2007 Report Share Posted September 9, 2007 Hi PP, When you say "mast shrouds", do you mean "diamond wires"?. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2007 Originally posted by xmatelot: Hi PP, When you say "mast shrouds", do you mean "diamond wires"?. pete Yes, they go from near top to bottom of the mast via a spreader. The shrouds have adjustable end parts where they hook onto the chainplates but the tension in the diamond wires is important I think. Darcy, I probably cant race next week at Mannering Park but would love to, I need to find economical insurance first. My opinion after searching 6 months ago is that the insurers dont really have a suitable product for an old $1200 boat which gets used once a week if the weather is good in a place where the main (almost only) at risk person is the owner himself. YA were no help either [This message has been edited by PP (edited 10 September 2007).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmatelot Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Hi, The diamond wire tension is important, but as long as the tension on either is the same, most guys just push the wires in to the mast,( maybe about 300 ml up from the bottom,),it all depends on what "prebend" you want. I am sure someone at your local sailig club will give you on the spot advice. RE Insurance, have you tried "MarineHull"? pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leapin Leroy Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Try them all for "Third Party, Fire (?) & Theft" cover, my dearly beloved is an Insurance Broker, she tells me that most company's will cover you for the usual $5mill T.P. cover etc. for about $90-120.00. Hope this helps, Regards, Leroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Originally posted by Leapin Leroy: Try them all for "Third Party, Fire (?) & Theft" cover, my dearly beloved is an Insurance Broker, she tells me that most company's will cover you for the usual $5mill T.P. cover etc. for about $90-120.00. Hope this helps, Regards, Leroy If third party fire and theft also cover public liability then I guess that would do. Q. is 'does it cover Public Liability when social racing the boat?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Originally posted by xmatelot: Hi, The diamond wire tension is important, but as long as the tension on either is the same, most guys just push the wires in to the mast,( maybe about 300 ml up from the bottom,),it all depends on what "prebend" you want. I am sure someone at your local sailig club will give you on the spot advice. RE Insurance, have you tried "MarineHull"? pete Thanks Pete; info I was looking for so I will do it myself. Hey Darcy, would you like to help me with your swager? Also Darcy, guy I work with says his name is Steve and his friend Darcy sails at Mannering Park, can you guess where I work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leapin Leroy Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 PP, Yes, your T.P. Liability covers you and the damage you or your boat cause, to property and people, both on and off the water... make sure you mention the social racing though!... Good luck, Leroy [This message has been edited by Leapin Leroy (edited 11 September 2007).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB2 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I can't get a quote below $220 for the $5m public liability, They want a photo of the cat plus a boat check report confirming its seaworthiness from the builder or boat dealer. There's a $100 excess on a claim. I've tried three of the major boat insurance firms and they are all $220 plus for a 20 year old 4m cat. Any tips on where to go? How much do owners of new nacra/A class/hobie/Capricorn/F18's pay?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darcy1945 Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 My guess is that you work in spare parts at Tuggerah, and Steve owns a Paper Tiger. Anytime but wed between 9 @ 3, otherwise before 9 on w/ends for any help or advice, ring to check, regards Darcy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehugger Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Insurance: Just hang in there for a day or so.We are setting up some racing at Coila and I think the committee is looking into it. I'm pretty sure they have a quote for full comprehensive for 2 grand plus 5 mill liability for around $100 per year. I will confirm and get back in the next couple of days. Cheers Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmatelot Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hi, "This is just my own personal opinion." I believe that insurance should be compulsory, I also believe that seaworthiness inspections should be a must, similar to motor vehicle roadworthy cerificates. Keen sailors usually keep their boats in a safe condition,either by their own knowledge, or someone elses. I have seen many,many boats that should never be allowed near water, and their owners apparently completely unaware of the danger. I believe that insurance companies are within their rights to ask for a guarantee that the boat is in fact in a safe condition. Again I say that this is a personal opinion. pete [This message has been edited by xmatelot (edited 12 September 2007).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 I think I hijacked my own thread here, so I have started a new one titled "Insurance time". Please use that for the insurance issue. I was going to use s/s wire from Bias Boating, 1/19, 3.2mm cat no.9883 which is rated @ 953kg. for the diamond wires. For flexibility in the forestay and shrouds 7/19, 4mm, cat no.9875 rated @ 1089kg. Is this overkill for the shrouds? Should I not use flexible for some reason? Darcy - no Steve hasn't got a boat, try again. I will definately give you a ring when I have the parts. Paul. [This message has been edited by PP (edited 13 September 2007).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leapin Leroy Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 PP, 7 X 19 is not appropriate for the stays, stick with the 1 X 19, it will be fine (cheaper too). Cheers, Leroy [This message has been edited by Leapin Leroy (edited 13 September 2007).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmatelot Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Hi Paul, Sorry to jump into the Insurance issue. I would not use the 7x32 for any standing rigging, I reccomend the 1x19. pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PP Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Thanks guys, I will use 1/19, 3.2mm all round. Same as it is now. I thought flex may be better if it gets coiled up after each sail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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